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<tt>Ah, sorry, Jesper, I forgot to answer one of your point.<br>
<br>
We did not try to check exhaustively the specific instance of
rivet analysis that was sent around, i.e. we did not compare a
Rivet output with the MC points that we've just sent you<br>
(Some tests were done 1 year ago by another third person, with an
older rivet version; the comparison (Rivet/published MC points)
was looking good but was not really checked down to utter
details.)<br>
<br>
The thing is that David needed to simulate a lot of Pythia
Perugia2011 events : to get a statistical uncertainty on the Omega
d²N/dptdy limited to 1-3%, up to our highest Omega pT bin, 300e6
events were simulated.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Antonin<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 08/06/2015 19:02, Antonin Maire
(IPHC) a écrit :<br>
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Hello again, <br>
<br>
David was the main actor for the Pythia simulation at the time
of the paper.<br>
We exchanged a few mails over the last days, to check we
understand similarly again our own developments.<br>
<br>
Among other things, Pythia 6 tunes Z1, Z2, Perugia 2011
simulations were carried out.<br>
Pythia 8 was not tried at that time.<br>
Perugia 2011 was the one of best performance so became the one we
focused on.<br>
<br>
<br>
<u>About the Pythia generation and analysis :</u><br>
<br>
- there is no special thing with the .cmnd config file.<br>
The central tune Perugia 2011 (350) was used as it is.<br>
The simlulated events are only "inelastic" ones (i.e. allow for
single+double diffraction on top of the non-diffractive
processes). <br>
<br>
- The MC analysis was performed via ROOT+TPythia6, so that TH1 can
be used.<br>
<br>
<br>
<u>MC points</u> <br>
<br>
<br>
I enclose the table of values, taken from our macro to produce
Fig.2 in <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0282v2.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.0282v2.pdf</a>.<br>
- David is certainly ashamed that I show the underwear of his old
code ( :-) ) but ok, let me give you some clarification in the
naming of things.<br>
<br>
1. You will see Z2 in every array name but has no meaning (except
for Z2 tune values...)<br>
<br>
2. The pt binning of ALICE data was used.<br>
There are MC points simulated with the Xi binning (= 18 pT
bins) and this also for the Omega spectra, and conversely, MC
points with Omega binning (= 8 pT bins) also for the Xi spectra.<br>
Which binning is used where is indicated by the first particle
name next to Z2, e.g. Z2<font color="#cc0000">XiSimulated</font>XiMinus<br>
<br>
3. the Pythia values corresponds here to the integral of counts
over each pT bin width = a bin content in the ROOT sense.<br>
Note these values ARE already further divided : <br>
- by Delta(pT), the pT bin width, i.e. normalised by unit of
pT.<br>
- by the number of PYTHIA INEL events analysed<br>
<br>
4. As a consequence of these normalised integral of counts,<br>
4.1 - the division of MC/data is kept straightforward<br>
4.2 - No need to worry about the right pT place to display the
ratio MC/data (cf. Lafferty-Wyatt NIM paper) : the points are
displayed at the centre of the pt bins.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<u>Comparison CMS/ALICE</u><br>
<br>
About the comparison of Xi+-(CMS) and Xi+-(ALICE), I enclose an
exchange I had recently with Andreas on the topic.<br>
The main point is NSD/INEL and the fact that CMS is not only Xi-
but the sum of Xi- and anti-Xi+<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://mcplots.cern.ch/?query=plots,ppppbar,uemb-soft,Xim_pt">http://mcplots.cern.ch/?query=plots,ppppbar,uemb-soft,Xim_pt</a>
<br>
That CMS plot should maybe be moved next the ALICE 900 GeV
(Xi-+Xi+) results<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://mcplots.cern.ch/?query=plots,ppppbar,uemb-soft,Xi_pt">http://mcplots.cern.ch/?query=plots,ppppbar,uemb-soft,Xi_pt</a><br>
<br>
<br>
We stay at disposal.<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>Cheers,<br>
David & Antonin<br>
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Christiansen a écrit :<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Boris and ALICE collaborators<br>
<br>
First of all thank you for providing the Rivet analysis, I
have already tried to run it to test how the new model
compares (but I need a bit more time before I am going to
discuss that in details :)).<br>
<br>
I have also tried to compare this analysis with the Xi
production measured by CMS (CMS_2011_S8978280), and the
models/data seems to be quite different (the two analysis
differs in that one is NSD, where as yours is fully
inelastic). But before drawing any conclusions, I would first
like to test whether I use the analysis correctly. I was
therefore wondering if you have the MC data that is shown in
the article available in a table format? That way I would be
able to run Pythia with the same tune and verify that I can
get the same result as is in your article (if you already did
this, it is of course not needed for me to do it). Otherwise
if you for some reason still happen to have the Pythia .cmnd
file you used to generate the events used in the article
laying around, I would be very happy if you could send me that
(I know this is probably a bit too much to ask).<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Jesper<br>
<br>
<br>
On 06/03/2015 09:06 PM, Boris Hippolyte wrote:<br>
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Dear Andy,
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<div class="">1) we believe the relevant plots are already
included in the targz</div>
<div class="">archive you received (in fact, these are very
simple pT spectra</div>
<div class="">plus a mT-m0 ratio as contained in our 2012
publication).</div>
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<div class="">2) we checked this rivet analysis of our data
against PYTHIA 8</div>
<div class="">(not much statistics, admittedly) but we knew
already that event</div>
<div class="">generators have significant difficulties with
baryons, and even</div>
<div class="">more with multi-strange ones.</div>
<div class="">-> the hope is that Peter and Jesper (also in
cc) will manage to</div>
<div class="">include these “rivetised" data for their next
publication(s).</div>
<div class=""><br class="">
</div>
<div class="">3) you can expect two other ALICE rivet
contributions (related</div>
<div class="">to identified pT spectra) in the coming days.</div>
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<div class="">Best regards,</div>
<div class="">—B.</div>
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tarball is in the Rivet contrib downloads area now,
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evening everybody,<br class="">
<br class="">
I allow myself to contact you to provide an
archive of a Rivet<br class="">
analysis related to ( Xi-, anti-Xi+, Omega-,
anti-Omega+) pT spectra<br class="">
measured by ALICE.<br class="">
<br class="">
Multi-strange baryon production in pp collisions at
(s)^1/2 = 7 TeV with<br class="">
ALICE,<br class="">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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The "rivetisation" of the analysis was done by Boris
Hippolyte (thanks !).<br class="">
David Chinellato and myself were "primary" analysers
and authors of the<br class="">
above paper.<br class="">
<br class="">
We propose this Rivet analysis to be integrated into
the official<br class="">
Rivet/src/Analyses<br class="">
(first, I guess, via <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.hepforge.org/archive/rivet/contrib/">https://www.hepforge.org/archive/rivet/contrib/</a>,
up<br class="">
to the next release).<br class="">
<br class="">
I stay at disposal.<br class="">
<br class="">
Antonin Maire, ALICE member<br class="">
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