[Rivet] Fwd: Running RAPGAP with RIVET

[Tim Martin]

Thanks Andy,

I think I'm almost there now, main problem before was I was not using
the head but rather AGILe-1.1.4.

When I installed from the tarball I used the lines...

./configure --prefix=/afs/cern.ch/user/t/tamartin/scratch0/rivet/local
 --with-lcgtag=slc4_amd64_gcc34
--with-hepmc=/afs/cern.ch/sw/lcg/external/HepMC/2.05.00/slc4_amd64_gcc34
--with-boost=/afs/cern.ch/user/t/tamartin/scratch0/rivet/local
--enable-pyext

make -j2 && make -j2 install

...to install the package but I see that there is no configure file
saved in the repository, I've tried

autoconf configure.ac > configure

on LXPLUS but I get the errors....

configure.ac:8: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
      If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
      See the Autoconf documentation.
configure.ac:32: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CEDAR_OSX
configure.ac:35: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LCG_TAG
configure.ac:44: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DISABLE_STATIC
configure.ac:49: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_FFLAGS
configure.ac:49: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_FCFLAGS
configure.ac:53: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN
configure.ac:54: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
configure.ac:61: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CEDAR_HEADERS
configure.ac:61: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
configure.ac:77: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CEDAR_LIBRARYANDHEADERS
configure.ac:81: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CPPFLAGS
configure.ac:84: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_LDFLAGS
configure.ac:85: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CXXFLAGS
configure.ac:86: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CEDAR_CHECKCXXFLAG
configure.ac:116: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CONDITIONAL
configure.ac:123: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_EMPTY_SUBST

Then when I try and run configure...

./configure: line 1348: syntax error near unexpected token `dist-bzip2'
./configure: line 1348: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(dist-bzip2)'

..among others. Does anyone happen to know how to properly generate
the configure or have a copy suitable for head version of AGILe?

Thanks, Tim.

On 13 April 2010 19:02, Andy Buckley <andy.buckley at ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> RapGap and Cascade in AGILe are currently only known about by Holger, I
> think: the issue with static libraries etc. is really something that
> Hannes & co can hopefully fix. If the shared lib is in place, and can be
> found in a Genser-like structure in the path pointed at by the
> AGILE_GEN_PATH, then I *think* it should just work. The -lTRACE argument
> to agile-runmc should dump out a big list of all the paths being
> searched to find the generator libraries.
>
> As Holger has said, Rivet doesn't write ROOT tuples... well, you could
> add a private analysis that works that way, but it's not a built-in
> feature. But Rivet does read in HepMC text streams, so it may be that
> you don't need AGILe at all if you already have RapGap writing HepMC
> ASCII to stdout: just pipe the stdout into Rivet! AGILe is a convenience
> rather than a necessity, so if you have a more convenient way to steer
> it and produce HepMC, then use that instead!
>
> Feel free to ask more questions, but send them to the Rivet list,
> please... we'll hopefully have the technical stuff sorted fairly soon.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 13/04/10 17:45, Tim Martin wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>>
>> I'm trying to run the RAPGAP generator with AGILe and RIVET and I was
>> hoping you could help with some of the technicalities I've detailed
>> below.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Tim.
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Judith.Katzy at desy.de <judith.katzy at desy.de>
>> Date: 13 April 2010 17:24
>> Subject: Re: Running RAPGAP with RIVET
>> To: Tim Martin <tim.martin at cern.ch>
>> Cc: Judith.Katzy at cern.ch, Dr Paul R Newman <prn at hep.ph.bham.ac.uk>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> I'm sorry but I cannot help you with Agile. I was about to point you
>> to Holger - but it seems
>> this was already done. I can only suggest to ask Andy Buckley - he
>> should know these technical things.
>>
>> Please let me know if you don't succeed this way - I could than point
>> you to some other tools.
>>
>> cheers,
>> Judith
>>
>> On 13/04/2010 17:08, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Judith,
>>>
>>> I'm having MC problems and I was hoping you could help me or point me
>>> towards someone who can.
>>>
>>> Essentially, I'm looking to run RAPGAP to get the included pion
>>> exchange channel in diffraction and look at the forward neutron
>>> spectrum for ZDC and diffractive purposes. I have RAPGAP from Hannes
>>> Jung compiled on my AFS though I can only get it to output to STDOUT.
>>>
>>> I'm hoping to use AGILe to run RAPGAP and pass the output through
>>> RIVET to get (hopefully) a root ntuple.
>>>
>>> My problem is interfacing RAPGAP with AGILe, I have AGILe and RIVET
>>> installed and have made shared libraries for RAPGAP (as suggested in
>>> Fw:, below) but have now hit a brick wall regarding what needs to be
>>> done next to run RAPGAP in AGILe.
>>>
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated,
>>> Thanks, Tim.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Holger Schulz<holger.schulz at physik.hu-berlin.de>
>>> Date: 9 April 2010 14:39
>>> Subject: Re: Running RAPGAP with RIVET
>>> To: Tim Martin<tim.martin at cern.ch>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Martin wrote:
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I hear from Hannes Jung that you have previously managed to run the
>>>> RAPGAP generator with RIVET to make a root ntuple.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> this is not entirely correct. I managed to interface Rapgap with
>>> AGILe, a generator interface for FORTRAN generators that
>>> produces output in the common HepMC event record format.
>>>
>>> Rivet is entirely independent on any generator code now. It uses
>>> this HepMC output as only input. Furthermore the output of
>>> Rivet is currently limited to AIDA xml format although there
>>> are some tools that can do a conversion from AIDA to root but
>>> I have no idea how well they work.
>>>
>>> So what you want to to in order to run Rapgap with Rivet is
>>> to install the latest HEAD version of AGILe from the SVN repository.
>>> AGILe looks  for generator libraries in some common places
>>> on your hard drive.
>>>
>>> There are some more stumbling blocks on the way, however.
>>> AGILe of course only works with shared libraries, but the
>>> Rapgap installation only provides you with the static library.
>>> So you will need to make a shared library libragpag32.so
>>> from the object files yourself.
>>>
>>> Another thing that might go away in the future, provided Hannes
>>> can something with the parameter steering, is that you cannot
>>> change parameters in the AGILe way, i.e. specifying a text files
>>> with parameters and the values you want to set them to.
>>> Rapgap expects the steering file to be supplied as such:
>>>
>>>   rapgap<  steer-ep
>>>
>>> or so. So you have to run agile accordingly, e.g.
>>>
>>>   agile-runmc Rapgap:32 -n 100000 -o hepmc.fifo<  steerp_ep&  rivet
>>>   hepmc.fifo -a H1_2000_S4129130 -H rapgap.aida
>>>
>>> This would give you a file called rapgap.aida with the histograms
>>> filled according to this particular H1 analysis with the Spires ID 4129130.
>>> With the Rivet tools compare-histos and make-plots you can turn them
>>> into output like this:
>>>
>>>   http://users.hepforge.org/~holsch/Rapgap/plots/H1_2000_S4129130_d18-x01-y01.pdf
>>>
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> Holger
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is this correct? And if so, do you happen to have any example code
>>>> lying around which I could have a look at?
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Tim.
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Hannes Jung<hannes.jung at desy.de>
>>>> Date: 9 April 2010 13:28
>>>> Subject: Re: rapgap
>>>> To: Tim Martin<tim.martin at cern.ch>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim
>>>>
>>>> very good.
>>>> yes, sorry, the particle code was just from tevatron...
>>>> Now, for analysing the output, it depends:
>>>> - if you wnat it in the ATLAS frame, then you need Judith to help you.
>>>> - H. Schultz from ATLAS did run RAPGAP also with RIVET, so you could ask him...
>>>> - i only have a fortran version... but this might be not that
>>>> usefulfor you, or ?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Hannes
>>>>
>>>> On 09.04.2010, at 13:01, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Hannes,
>>>>>
>>>>> No problem, copied lhapdf-config into ~tamartin/bin/ and it's working :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Getting output, but only to stdout at the moment, how do you go about
>>>>> analysing the output? Ideally it would be nice to have an ntuple, but
>>>>> may have to involve the MC group for that?
>>>>>
>>>>> One other quick question, in your 7TeV pp steering file you have beam
>>>>> one set as -2212 and beam two set as 2212. Is this just a Tevatron
>>>>> typo?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your continuing help! Tim.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 April 2010 19:30, Hannes Jung<hannes.jung at desy.de>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Tim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry for my late reply.
>>>>>> I have now copied the lhapdf-config to the public/rapgap/share folder.
>>>>>> the lhapdf-config is also available from
>>>>>> /afs/cern.ch/sw/lcg/external/MCGenerators/lhapdf/5.3.1/slc4_amd64_gcc34/bin/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LEt me know, if this works
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08.04.2010, at 17:28, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Hannes,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see you have an entry for
>>>>>>> /afs/cern.ch/user/j/jung/.lhapdf/pdfsets-path
>>>>>>> But I can't see where it's set sadly :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is it just a soft link? rapgap is refusing to run without it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers, im.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6 April 2010 07:00, Hannes Jung<hannes.jung at desy.de>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Tim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have now put rapgap into my public area:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /afs/cern.ch/user/j/jung/public/rapgap/share
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> run it with (for example)
>>>>>>>> ../bin/rapgap32<  steer-pp-rapidity-gap
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hannes
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06.04.2010, at 03:45, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hope you had a good Easter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll have a go at running rapgap this week and see how it is
>>>>>>>>> comparing. Can't say what I'll get out of it by the 8th though.
>>>>>>>>> Hannes, could you mod the permission on the rapgap dir in your
>>>>>>>>> userspace or pop it in public as I can't get at it at the moment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Tim.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30 March 2010 22:24, Hannes Jung<hannes.jung at desy.de>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sebastian&  Tim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have already installed RAPGAP on lxplus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can find it under
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> /afs/cern.ch/user/j/jung/scratch0/rapgap/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and you can run it with:
>>>>>>>>>> cd /afs/cern.ch/user/j/jung/scratch0/rapgap/share/
>>>>>>>>>> ../bin/rapgap32<  steer-pp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in this dir you also find the manual.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LEt me know, if you need some help
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30.03.2010, at 22:41, Sebastian White wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>> Hannes and I just discussed what we might do to introduce forward
>>>>>>>>>>> physics into Emily and Marj's meeting on April 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>     The idea is that with  fast forward neutrons of probability
>>>>>>>>>>> 0.45 in each beam direction and the very large xF coverage ATLAS
>>>>>>>>>>> has for neutrons, correlations with ZDC and barrel data are bound to
>>>>>>>>>>> be important for their purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>>     We propose to start with RAPGAP because we will have more
>>>>>>>>>>> insight into what the code is doing with forward neutrons.
>>>>>>>>>>>     As far as I can tell from Judith it is not in ATHENA. However
>>>>>>>>>>> there must be possible tests we could do now. We can easily provide
>>>>>>>>>>> a simple effective collimator aperture due to the beamline, since we now
>>>>>>>>>>> study this with HECTOR and FPtracker. Charged particles are basically
>>>>>>>>>>> all lost in this region.
>>>>>>>>>>>     I think I can find a theory PHD interested in simulation to help
>>>>>>>>>>> eventually.
>>>>>>>>>>>     Hannes proposes that he could install RAPGAP on LXPLUS at CERN
>>>>>>>>>>> for example to get things running. What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ps. please forward if you also have colleagues who would be
>>>>>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>> Hannes Jung
>>>>>>>>>> Email: Hannes.Jung at desy.de
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>>>>>>>>>> http://www.desy.de/~jung
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>>>>>>>>>> Fax: +49 (0) 40 8998 3093
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>>>>>> Hannes Jung
>>>>>> Email: Hannes.Jung at desy.de
>>>>>> mobile :+49 40 8998 93741
>>>>>> http://www.desy.de/~jung
>>>>>> Tel: +49 (0) 40 8998 3741
>>>>>> Fax: +49 (0) 40 8998 3093
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>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
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>>>> Email: Hannes.Jung at desy.de
>>>> mobile :+49 40 8998 93741
>>>> http://www.desy.de/~jung
>>>> Tel: +49 (0) 40 8998 3741
>>>> Fax: +49 (0) 40 8998 3093
>>>> DESY, CMS/FH1, Bldg. 1b, 331, Notkestr.85, 22603 Hamburg, FRG
>>>> ***********************************************************************
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