[Rivet] Fwd: Running RAPGAP with RIVET

Holger Schulz holger.schulz at physik.hu-berlin.de
Thu Apr 15 22:27:43 BST 2010


Tim Martin wrote:
> I guess so, I've tried other versions of Pythia through changing the...
>
> baselibs.push_back(GenLibInfo("libpythia6", "pythia6", "419"));
>   
Hm strange. Could you do "nm -CD libpythia6.so" and look
if pytime is really not defined? In my case it is.

Holger
> ...line but no luck. Also tried your suggestion of piping rapgap
> straight into Rivet but that sadly did not work either.
>
> Cheers, Tim.
>
> On 15 April 2010 14:48, Andy Buckley <andy.buckley at ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>   
>> Hmm, missing library symbol. That looks like one of the PYTHIA dummy
>> routines that are either provided by libpythia_dummies or by the aux
>> generator (AlpGen, Charybdis, Rapgap...). Maybe RapGap isn't providing
>> that dummy. If not, we need to add our own to libAGILeRapGap.
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback, and sorry that it's still mid-development!
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On 15/04/10 14:06, Tim Martin wrote:
>>     
>>> Thanks Andy,
>>>
>>> That did it. I'm down to a runtime error! I can run Pythia with AGILe
>>> ('agile-runmc Pythia6:422' works) but am still getting a python error
>>> running RAPGAP though the error seems to be coming from Pythia?! I've
>>> asked Holger about it as well.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Tim.
>>>
>>> tamartin at lxplus253.cern.ch$ agile-runmc Rapgap:32 -n 100000 -o
>>> hepmc.fifo < rapgap/share/steer-pp-rapidity-gap
>>> Generating 100000 events
>>> Generator is Rapgap:32
>>> Setting random seed = 31415926
>>> Setting initial state: 2212 @ 7000.0 GeV -> <- 2212 @ 7000.0 GeV
>>> AGILe.Rapgap: INFO  Setting initial state...
>>> AGILe.Rapgap: INFO  Setting ... (KBE1) = 2212
>>> AGILe.Rapgap: INFO  Setting ... (KBE2) = 2212
>>> AGILe.Rapgap: INFO  Setting ... (PBE1) = 7000
>>> AGILe.Rapgap: INFO  Setting ... (PBE2) = 7000
>>> AGILe.Rapgap: INFO  Now calling GRAINI...
>>>  NEW BLOCK DATA for RAPGAP  initialised
>>>  HERACLES 4.6.6 BLOCK DATA initialized
>>> python: symbol lookup error:
>>> /afs/cern.ch/sw/lcg/external/MCGenerators/pythia6/421.2/slc4_amd64_gcc34/lib/libpythia6.so:
>>> undefined symbol: pytime_
>>>
>>> On 14 April 2010 18:25, Andy Buckley <andy.buckley at ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>
>>>> Try "autoreconf -i". This is the normal way to bootstrap an autotools
>>>> setup. Should also work on lxplus (although the automake installed there
>>>> is not as nice as on our release build machine, so data file
>>>> installation might take a while!)
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14/04/10 17:22, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Thanks Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'm almost there now, main problem before was I was not using
>>>>> the head but rather AGILe-1.1.4.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I installed from the tarball I used the lines...
>>>>>
>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/afs/cern.ch/user/t/tamartin/scratch0/rivet/local
>>>>>  --with-lcgtag=slc4_amd64_gcc34
>>>>> --with-hepmc=/afs/cern.ch/sw/lcg/external/HepMC/2.05.00/slc4_amd64_gcc34
>>>>> --with-boost=/afs/cern.ch/user/t/tamartin/scratch0/rivet/local
>>>>> --enable-pyext
>>>>>
>>>>> make -j2 && make -j2 install
>>>>>
>>>>> ...to install the package but I see that there is no configure file
>>>>> saved in the repository, I've tried
>>>>>
>>>>> autoconf configure.ac > configure
>>>>>
>>>>> on LXPLUS but I get the errors....
>>>>>
>>>>> configure.ac:8: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
>>>>>       If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow.
>>>>>       See the Autoconf documentation.
>>>>> configure.ac:32: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CEDAR_OSX
>>>>> configure.ac:35: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LCG_TAG
>>>>> configure.ac:44: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DISABLE_STATIC
>>>>> configure.ac:49: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_FFLAGS
>>>>> configure.ac:49: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_FCFLAGS
>>>>> configure.ac:53: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_LIBTOOL_DLOPEN
>>>>> configure.ac:54: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_LIBTOOL
>>>>> configure.ac:61: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CEDAR_HEADERS
>>>>> configure.ac:61: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_MSG_ERROR
>>>>> configure.ac:77: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CEDAR_LIBRARYANDHEADERS
>>>>> configure.ac:81: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CPPFLAGS
>>>>> configure.ac:84: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_LDFLAGS
>>>>> configure.ac:85: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CXXFLAGS
>>>>> configure.ac:86: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CEDAR_CHECKCXXFLAG
>>>>> configure.ac:116: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CONDITIONAL
>>>>> configure.ac:123: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_EMPTY_SUBST
>>>>>
>>>>> Then when I try and run configure...
>>>>>
>>>>> ./configure: line 1348: syntax error near unexpected token `dist-bzip2'
>>>>> ./configure: line 1348: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(dist-bzip2)'
>>>>>
>>>>> ..among others. Does anyone happen to know how to properly generate
>>>>> the configure or have a copy suitable for head version of AGILe?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Tim.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 April 2010 19:02, Andy Buckley <andy.buckley at ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RapGap and Cascade in AGILe are currently only known about by Holger, I
>>>>>> think: the issue with static libraries etc. is really something that
>>>>>> Hannes & co can hopefully fix. If the shared lib is in place, and can be
>>>>>> found in a Genser-like structure in the path pointed at by the
>>>>>> AGILE_GEN_PATH, then I *think* it should just work. The -lTRACE argument
>>>>>> to agile-runmc should dump out a big list of all the paths being
>>>>>> searched to find the generator libraries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Holger has said, Rivet doesn't write ROOT tuples... well, you could
>>>>>> add a private analysis that works that way, but it's not a built-in
>>>>>> feature. But Rivet does read in HepMC text streams, so it may be that
>>>>>> you don't need AGILe at all if you already have RapGap writing HepMC
>>>>>> ASCII to stdout: just pipe the stdout into Rivet! AGILe is a convenience
>>>>>> rather than a necessity, so if you have a more convenient way to steer
>>>>>> it and produce HepMC, then use that instead!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to ask more questions, but send them to the Rivet list,
>>>>>> please... we'll hopefully have the technical stuff sorted fairly soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/04/10 17:45, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm trying to run the RAPGAP generator with AGILe and RIVET and I was
>>>>>>> hoping you could help with some of the technicalities I've detailed
>>>>>>> below.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>> Tim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>> From: Judith.Katzy at desy.de <judith.katzy at desy.de>
>>>>>>> Date: 13 April 2010 17:24
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Running RAPGAP with RIVET
>>>>>>> To: Tim Martin <tim.martin at cern.ch>
>>>>>>> Cc: Judith.Katzy at cern.ch, Dr Paul R Newman <prn at hep.ph.bham.ac.uk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry but I cannot help you with Agile. I was about to point you
>>>>>>> to Holger - but it seems
>>>>>>> this was already done. I can only suggest to ask Andy Buckley - he
>>>>>>> should know these technical things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let me know if you don't succeed this way - I could than point
>>>>>>> you to some other tools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 13/04/2010 17:08, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> Hi Judith,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm having MC problems and I was hoping you could help me or point me
>>>>>>>> towards someone who can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Essentially, I'm looking to run RAPGAP to get the included pion
>>>>>>>> exchange channel in diffraction and look at the forward neutron
>>>>>>>> spectrum for ZDC and diffractive purposes. I have RAPGAP from Hannes
>>>>>>>> Jung compiled on my AFS though I can only get it to output to STDOUT.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm hoping to use AGILe to run RAPGAP and pass the output through
>>>>>>>> RIVET to get (hopefully) a root ntuple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My problem is interfacing RAPGAP with AGILe, I have AGILe and RIVET
>>>>>>>> installed and have made shared libraries for RAPGAP (as suggested in
>>>>>>>> Fw:, below) but have now hit a brick wall regarding what needs to be
>>>>>>>> done next to run RAPGAP in AGILe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated,
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Tim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>> From: Holger Schulz<holger.schulz at physik.hu-berlin.de>
>>>>>>>> Date: 9 April 2010 14:39
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Running RAPGAP with RIVET
>>>>>>>> To: Tim Martin<tim.martin at cern.ch>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hear from Hannes Jung that you have previously managed to run the
>>>>>>>>> RAPGAP generator with RIVET to make a root ntuple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>> this is not entirely correct. I managed to interface Rapgap with
>>>>>>>> AGILe, a generator interface for FORTRAN generators that
>>>>>>>> produces output in the common HepMC event record format.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rivet is entirely independent on any generator code now. It uses
>>>>>>>> this HepMC output as only input. Furthermore the output of
>>>>>>>> Rivet is currently limited to AIDA xml format although there
>>>>>>>> are some tools that can do a conversion from AIDA to root but
>>>>>>>> I have no idea how well they work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what you want to to in order to run Rapgap with Rivet is
>>>>>>>> to install the latest HEAD version of AGILe from the SVN repository.
>>>>>>>> AGILe looks  for generator libraries in some common places
>>>>>>>> on your hard drive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are some more stumbling blocks on the way, however.
>>>>>>>> AGILe of course only works with shared libraries, but the
>>>>>>>> Rapgap installation only provides you with the static library.
>>>>>>>> So you will need to make a shared library libragpag32.so
>>>>>>>> from the object files yourself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another thing that might go away in the future, provided Hannes
>>>>>>>> can something with the parameter steering, is that you cannot
>>>>>>>> change parameters in the AGILe way, i.e. specifying a text files
>>>>>>>> with parameters and the values you want to set them to.
>>>>>>>> Rapgap expects the steering file to be supplied as such:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   rapgap<  steer-ep
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or so. So you have to run agile accordingly, e.g.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   agile-runmc Rapgap:32 -n 100000 -o hepmc.fifo<  steerp_ep&  rivet
>>>>>>>>   hepmc.fifo -a H1_2000_S4129130 -H rapgap.aida
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This would give you a file called rapgap.aida with the histograms
>>>>>>>> filled according to this particular H1 analysis with the Spires ID 4129130.
>>>>>>>> With the Rivet tools compare-histos and make-plots you can turn them
>>>>>>>> into output like this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   http://users.hepforge.org/~holsch/Rapgap/plots/H1_2000_S4129130_d18-x01-y01.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hope that helps.
>>>>>>>> Holger
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Is this correct? And if so, do you happen to have any example code
>>>>>>>>> lying around which I could have a look at?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Tim.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>>>>>>> From: Hannes Jung<hannes.jung at desy.de>
>>>>>>>>> Date: 9 April 2010 13:28
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: rapgap
>>>>>>>>> To: Tim Martin<tim.martin at cern.ch>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> very good.
>>>>>>>>> yes, sorry, the particle code was just from tevatron...
>>>>>>>>> Now, for analysing the output, it depends:
>>>>>>>>> - if you wnat it in the ATLAS frame, then you need Judith to help you.
>>>>>>>>> - H. Schultz from ATLAS did run RAPGAP also with RIVET, so you could ask him...
>>>>>>>>> - i only have a fortran version... but this might be not that
>>>>>>>>> usefulfor you, or ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 09.04.2010, at 13:01, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hannes,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No problem, copied lhapdf-config into ~tamartin/bin/ and it's working :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Getting output, but only to stdout at the moment, how do you go about
>>>>>>>>>> analysing the output? Ideally it would be nice to have an ntuple, but
>>>>>>>>>> may have to involve the MC group for that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One other quick question, in your 7TeV pp steering file you have beam
>>>>>>>>>> one set as -2212 and beam two set as 2212. Is this just a Tevatron
>>>>>>>>>> typo?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your continuing help! Tim.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 8 April 2010 19:30, Hannes Jung<hannes.jung at desy.de>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> sorry for my late reply.
>>>>>>>>>>> I have now copied the lhapdf-config to the public/rapgap/share folder.
>>>>>>>>>>> the lhapdf-config is also available from
>>>>>>>>>>> /afs/cern.ch/sw/lcg/external/MCGenerators/lhapdf/5.3.1/slc4_amd64_gcc34/bin/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LEt me know, if this works
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 08.04.2010, at 17:28, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Hannes,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I see you have an entry for
>>>>>>>>>>>> /afs/cern.ch/user/j/jung/.lhapdf/pdfsets-path
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I can't see where it's set sadly :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is it just a soft link? rapgap is refusing to run without it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, im.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6 April 2010 07:00, Hannes Jung<hannes.jung at desy.de>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have now put rapgap into my public area:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /afs/cern.ch/user/j/jung/public/rapgap/share
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run it with (for example)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../bin/rapgap32<  steer-pp-rapidity-gap
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hannes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 06.04.2010, at 03:45, Tim Martin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sebastian,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope you had a good Easter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll have a go at running rapgap this week and see how it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparing. Can't say what I'll get out of it by the 8th though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannes, could you mod the permission on the rapgap dir in your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> userspace or pop it in public as I can't get at it at the moment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Tim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30 March 2010 22:24, Hannes Jung<hannes.jung at desy.de>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Sebastian&  Tim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have already installed RAPGAP on lxplus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can find it under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> /afs/cern.ch/user/j/jung/scratch0/rapgap/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and you can run it with:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cd /afs/cern.ch/user/j/jung/scratch0/rapgap/share/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ../bin/rapgap32<  steer-pp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in this dir you also find the manual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LEt me know, if you need some help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 30.03.2010, at 22:41, Sebastian White wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Tim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannes and I just discussed what we might do to introduce forward
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physics into Emily and Marj's meeting on April 8.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     The idea is that with  fast forward neutrons of probability
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.45 in each beam direction and the very large xF coverage ATLAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has for neutrons, correlations with ZDC and barrel data are bound to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be important for their purposes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     We propose to start with RAPGAP because we will have more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insight into what the code is doing with forward neutrons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     As far as I can tell from Judith it is not in ATHENA. However
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there must be possible tests we could do now. We can easily provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a simple effective collimator aperture due to the beamline, since we now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> study this with HECTOR and FPtracker. Charged particles are basically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all lost in this region.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I think I can find a theory PHD interested in simulation to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Hannes proposes that he could install RAPGAP on LXPLUS at CERN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example to get things running. What do you think?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ps. please forward if you also have colleagues who would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                                 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannes Jung
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: Hannes.Jung at desy.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile :+49 40 8998 93741
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.desy.de/~jung
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +49 (0) 40 8998 3741
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: +49 (0) 40 8998 3093
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DESY, CMS/FH1, Bldg. 1b, 331, Notkestr.85, 22603 Hamburg, FRG
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                               
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -+-+-+-+ Tim Martin +-+ ATLAS +-+-+-+-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics West, Room W313
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Birmingham, B152TT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: (+44)121 414 4631
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://cern.ch/Tim.Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                             
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hannes Jung
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: Hannes.Jung at desy.de
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mobile :+49 40 8998 93741
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.desy.de/~jung
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +49 (0) 40 8998 3741
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: +49 (0) 40 8998 3093
>>>>>>>>>>>>> DESY, CMS/FH1, Bldg. 1b, 331, Notkestr.85, 22603 Hamburg, FRG
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> -+-+-+-+ Tim Martin +-+ ATLAS +-+-+-+-
>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics West, Room W313
>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Birmingham, B152TT
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: (+44)121 414 4631
>>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://cern.ch/Tim.Martin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>> Hannes Jung
>>>>>>>>>>> Email: Hannes.Jung at desy.de
>>>>>>>>>>> mobile :+49 40 8998 93741
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.desy.de/~jung
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +49 (0) 40 8998 3741
>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: +49 (0) 40 8998 3093
>>>>>>>>>>> DESY, CMS/FH1, Bldg. 1b, 331, Notkestr.85, 22603 Hamburg, FRG
>>>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> -+-+-+-+ Tim Martin +-+ ATLAS +-+-+-+-
>>>>>>>>>> Physics West, Room W313
>>>>>>>>>> University of Birmingham, B152TT
>>>>>>>>>> Tel: (+44)121 414 4631
>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://cern.ch/Tim.Martin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>> Hannes Jung
>>>>>>>>> Email: Hannes.Jung at desy.de
>>>>>>>>> mobile :+49 40 8998 93741
>>>>>>>>> http://www.desy.de/~jung
>>>>>>>>> Tel: +49 (0) 40 8998 3741
>>>>>>>>> Fax: +49 (0) 40 8998 3093
>>>>>>>>> DESY, CMS/FH1, Bldg. 1b, 331, Notkestr.85, 22603 Hamburg, FRG
>>>>>>>>> ***********************************************************************
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dr Andy Buckley
>>>>>> SUPA Advanced Research Fellow
>>>>>> Particle Physics Experiment Group, University of Edinburgh
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> --
>>>> Dr Andy Buckley
>>>> SUPA Advanced Research Fellow
>>>> Particle Physics Experiment Group, University of Edinburgh
>>>>
>>>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
>>>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>
>>>       
>> --
>> Dr Andy Buckley
>> SUPA Advanced Research Fellow
>> Particle Physics Experiment Group, University of Edinburgh
>>
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