[Rivet] Rivet "collaboration meeting"?

[James Monk]

Hi Frank,

That's interesting - I actually had a similar discussion with Sascha Mehlhase here about the possibility of using Rivet as part of a general constraint on new models.  My initial reaction was that is perhaps something for the long-term, but it's hard to get around unfolding cuts.  Alternatively, going down the pseudo-detector sim route as they suggest in that link has its own problems, and ideally there would at least be some agreed upon standard à la HepMC for specifying the smeared particles.  Now that many glaringly obvious BSM scenarios have been eliminated, my preference would be to encourage unfolding, for whatever effect our encouragement actually has ;)

Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing about it, even though I suspect the topic needs a workshop all to itself.

cheers,

James

On 1 May 2013, at 21:05, Frank Siegert wrote:

> Ok, thanks.
> 
> I forgot to mention one issue about the collaboration meeting: When I
> was in Hamburg for MC4BSM a week ago, Michele Papucci and Andreas
> Weiler approached me, talking about their "Automated Testing Of Models
> (AToM)" project. I don't know if you all have heard about it before,
> but it's basically a usage of the Rivet infrastructure plus additional
> tools, with the goal of providing model exclusion limits, i.e.
> completely complementary to what we are using Rivet for so far. Here's
> a link to the presentation:
> 
> https://indico.desy.de/getFile.py/access?contribId=27&sessionId=11&resId=0&materialId=slides&confId=7142
> 
> We talked a little bit about what they are doing, and to which extent
> (some of) their private Rivet modifications would be worth pushing
> upstream, and I thought it might be a neat idea to invite them to the
> Rivet collaboration meeting to discuss this. What do you think? I
> could go ahead and let them know about date and place and see whether
> they would care to join.
> 
> Cheers,
> Frank
> 
> 
> On 30 April 2013 11:01, Andy Buckley <andy.buckley at cern.ch> wrote:
>> On 30/04/13 10:00, Frank Siegert wrote:
>>> Alright, no problem. I would be available for phoning in once in a
>>> while, in case you think it would helpful for some discussion.
>> 
>> Sure... we'll arrange a Vidyo room, since Leif already asked for that.
>> 
>>> By the way... speaking about new features: I've written a simple
>>> wrapper for the AIDA histograms to take into account correlated events
>>> (e.g. NLO counter events), which I've been using in a private
>>> analysis. Do you think it's still worth to put something like that
>>> into SVN contrib?
>> 
>> Absolutely!
>> 
>> That bit doesn't work *yet* in Rivet 2, but I have a plan (which I
>> should send around) for how to handle this, multi-weights and
>> merging/re-entering the event loop/finalize all in one. My guess is that
>> the core structure is not so different from what you've done, but YODA
>> is needed for anything "mergey". This is something I'd like to get
>> working over the summer, maybe starting during our meeting: I'll have a
>> summer student to partially work on implementing/testing, and Peter S
>> has another whose project involves using this in mcplots.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 April 2013 12:44, Andy Buckley <andy.buckley at cern.ch> wrote:
>>>> Based on feedback from Hendrik, Gavin and Jon I think we have to go for
>>>> the second (28-31 May) slot, and UCL looks best. Maybe starting on the
>>>> afternoon of the 28th. Deal? Jon/Gavin/Emily, can we get a room(s)
>>>> booked for those 3-4 days?
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry Frank -- next time! And we *should* have a next time: we make so
>>>> much more progress at in-person meetings. Jon and Emily administer the
>>>> MCnet "user link" node, which can provide support to anyone doing MCnet
>>>> activities regardless of where they are based, so that is one source of
>>>> funding. I can also supply some money through my IPPP associateship, so
>>>> one way or another we can pay for you to come to the next one.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Andy
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 24/04/13 09:18, Frank Siegert wrote:
>>>>> Hi Andy, all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry about the late reply, I've finally managed to do some travel planning.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I agree that it's useful to have such a focal event, but I'm afraid I
>>>>> won't be able to make it that week, since the week before LH clashes
>>>>> for me with teaching duties. In the week of May 20-23 I could possible
>>>>> take out two days (e.g. Tue 21st and Wed 22nd), so maybe we can wait
>>>>> for Hendrik's decision this week?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another problem for me is funding... I don't expect to get local
>>>>> funding for a Rivet meeting. Did you say that there is MCnet money
>>>>> which would be available for that even if I'm not employed by an MCnet
>>>>> node?
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for the location, all would work well for me, with the (only very
>>>>> slight) preference being Copenhagen, CERN, London.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Frank
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 24 April 2013 07:28, Andy Buckley <andy.buckley at cern.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> With apologies to James and Leif, the 28-31 May block is looking
>>>>>> preferred, as is London over Copenhagen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I propose 28-30 May, at UCL. Jon, please object promptly if "using"
>>>>>> UCL isn't an option on those days!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Andy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 22/04/13 16:11, David Grellscheid wrote:
>>>>>>> All proposed dates are OK for me, I prefer London.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  David
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